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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2012 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Of all the characters that inhabit the GD song scape, who is the most evil?

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: Jul 9, 2012 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

My brother Esau killed a hunter Back in nineteen sixty nine

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Poster: Wrong-way Billy Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

the nephew.

(from 'Me & My Uncle')

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Poster: Mooding Date: Jul 9, 2012 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Yes, thank you. I was going to chime in with 'Me' from MAMU since he killed his own uncle in cold blood, using lessons taught by the uncle, for just a bag of gold.

But that guy in Mexicali has to be close behind.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2012 8:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

And we've never figured out what the character in Sugaree got up to, or why nobody better admit knowing him.

Also, though we're supposed to sympathize with the poor fellow run out in the cold rain and snow, there's menace in the "fateful tune" the wife is singing up in her room, and in very early versions, she went up to her room "where she met her fatal doom" implying he killed her.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Jul 10, 2012 7:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Merle Haggard gets credit for the original but as a GD character the narrator of "Mama Tried" is a right bastard. "No one could steer me right..."

Uncle Sam acts badly in "US Blues"...."Run your life/steal your wife"

and "Brother Esau" didn't win any fans in the nice guy category either!

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

The Dire Wolf - 600 lbs of sin.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 9, 2012 2:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Lee Brown or Willy Lee but not Jack Brown. Dude is so evil he shoots his lady down in Little Sadie and Cocaine Blues.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Jul 11, 2012 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Reuben kind of sucked. He had Cerise's undying devotion and then he had to go and play that solo for Ruby Claire.....

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

i would say Dupree Diamond would get there pretty quick for buying things payed off with lead. :)

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 9, 2012 8:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Many a man's done a terrible thing
just to get baby that shiny diamond ring ...

... note that the judge sympathizes ...

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

The Candyman?
Shannon from Jack Straw?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Do you think Shannon was worse than Jack? Shannon was evil, however Jack might have been worse for thinking Shannon was evil and still going along on for the ride.

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

If I have this right....Shannon stole the loot and cut down a man in cold blood, then Jack off-ed(poor choice of terms, but I'm sticking with it.)the young Shannon because he could not live life on the run.

Hard to say who's worse. I guess they are both Hellbucket Bound.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Yes I think you have right, but i think they went and killed a few more people while riding those trains. "We used play for silver now we play for life." Jack knew understood the difference but still went along until he couldn't.

Oh yeah, definitely a bucket for two.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Jul 9, 2012 2:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

How 'bout Stagger Lee? Because, you know, "Stagger Lee is a bad man." Not an original GD character, but they wrote about him just the same.. He killed a guy because he lost his hat to him in a game of chance, so not only is he a murderer but a welcher and a sore loser.

Then there's also "the Heat". Anyone who busts someone for smiling on a cloudy day is pretty evil in my book.

One thing we do know, it can't be Katie Mae, because "Katie Mae's a good girl".

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Jul 9, 2012 9:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

God in Highway 61 Revisited?

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Poster: gratefuldiver Date: Jul 9, 2012 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Definitely not the most evil but both Peggy-O and William should make the top 10.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 10, 2012 1:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

How is Peggy O evil? Ditzy, maybe, but the mom must be a piece of work, since Peggy O is too scared of her to marry a guy without enough guineas.

But Sweet William planned on retaliating by being a mass murderer/war criminal. Burning all of Peggy's cities and destroying all the women? I say he'd have made number one easily if he hadn't made an apparently lethal detour from what seems to be medieval Europe to Louisiana.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 10, 2012 5:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

I always figured poor William didn't really mean it, but was just heartbroken.

Heard a rollickin' Peggy-O the other night! It's been making me want to dig out the old Peggy-O's ...

ah - it's online now!

http://archive.org/details/furthur2012-07-07

check it out, tell me Peggy-O isn't gorgeous!! Phil's voice is spine tingling. God, I love it.

Phil is pretty evil sounding, threatening to burn all the cities.

I can see I'm gonna click on this repeatedly.

Another thing the "early era only" crowd misses, is that somewhere in the post-Jerry era, Phil learned to sing. Beautifully.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Jul 10, 2012 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Respectfully disagree
I love Phil but he does not sing beautifully and not here either

Check out the Virginia tech Peggy o
This is the real goods

http://archive.org/details/gd1978-04-14.sbd.miller.83717.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 11, 2012 8:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

I hear ya and thanks for the rec, think I'll put that on ...

I still think the people dissing Furthur don't actually click the links and check it out ...

LOL - I have to respectfully point out that unfortunately in this version, Jerry threatens that if Peggy-O won't have him, he'll burn all their ... guineas.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 11, 2012 4:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

After seeing and hearing Bob "sing" Mission in the Rain at the Monterey Fairgrounds, I feel comfortable in not wanting to see more shows. Two close friends of mine just saw a Terrapin Crossroad show and said it was great, but I just don't care. I certainly don't begrudge anyone from seeing them and believe they should continue to play and it's very cool you got to see another generation appreciating the same, but with limited time and resources, my focuses are elsewhere (like WILCO at the Greek in September). That said, I will go see them when they play Cliff's backyard.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 11, 2012 6:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Bob's singing is a weak link in Furthur. He has his moments, but he is certainly far weaker vocally than ever before. But Bob's singing is just one small component of the band. And paradoxically Phil's singing has greatly improved. No one's ever going to claim he has a good voice, but his singing has indeed improved, and I'm overjoyed to hear Phil sing. Bob, I admit, not so much.

But (and I'm not really aiming this at you in particular since you don't care, but maybe others), to me, Bob always overreached sometimes vocally - this isn't new. When he was younger and his voice was much stronger, he got away with it. But there were always quite a few songs he should not really have been singing 'cus he just didn't sound great, but apparently nobody wanted to tell him. Paint My Masterpiece, Desolation Row - obviously he loves these songs, but he doesn't sing them very well. Sorry Bob - I love other things Bob does for sure and there are other songs he sings beautifully. I'm not sure what the difference is, but as soon as I heard Dear Prudence I cringed, I know he wants to sing Dear Prudence and it doesn't work ...

Ha, well, some day there's gonna be a great party in Cliff's backyard, I guess.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Lenny Hart

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 9, 2012 4:04pm
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Ha! We have a winner...

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

The character in Mexicali Blues.

Not only a murderer but also a child molester...



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Poster: craven714 Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

dont forget an alcoholic ta boot
(mexi)

My fav is Lenny Hart. Excellent call bd. F-ing hilarious

edit~ although dires 600 lbs is great also. I didnt know
Don had an eating disorder (out of the many that he has).

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Poster: JackDog Date: Jul 9, 2012 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

You are an idiot.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jul 9, 2012 4:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

really? I did not know that!

Thinkin' and drinkin' are all I have today...yeah!

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Poster: craven714 Date: Jul 10, 2012 5:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

well thats better than having a bottle and a girl whos just 14.
Unless you, yourself are a 14 years old. Then that
would be a good night ;)

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Poster: Chiklod Date: Jul 9, 2012 9:50pm
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"A closer look reveals the human race..."

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 10, 2012 5:10am
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good one!

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 9, 2012 11:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

I think I'm going to second that.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 10, 2012 2:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Going to Hell in a Bucket, but who would get there the quickest?

Hard to argue with that.

Btw no one mentioned the guy who's after the Little Schoolgirl. He's worse than the Mexicali fellow in my book, since he doesn't have the excuse of being down and out in Mexico and feeling regrets about his life, but is actively being Humbert Humbert.

Mexicali might repent in the end, but that Schoolgirl chaser needs to be fed to the Dire Wolf.

There's also Delilah, a Biblically approved villainess.

And of course, technically speaking, there's Death. I suppose he runs the bucket and must zip back and forth many times a day, quite quickly.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 10, 2012 7:04pm
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Hm, just occurred to me that the "schoolgirl" is seventeen, I think, which is a bit of an improvement over the girl who's just fourteen.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 11, 2012 1:49am
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You're right. So if he succeeds, his lawyer can argue that it's "merely" statutory rape. Lucky for him.

Of course, Mr. Mexicali has a defense, too. He's in Mexico in what is probably the 19th century. What was the age of consent in Mexico in the 1800s? I'm guessing there were a lot of married 14 year olds. Historically, that wasn't unusual, even in the U.S.

My West Virginia grandma was married at 15. Marie Antoinette was married at 14 (and it was both legal and the norm in rural South Asia until very recently to arrange girls' marriages by 14.) Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13-year-old cousin in the 1950s. At least Mr. Mexicali seems to feel a bit bad about it.

Not that I'm defending his poor decision if he shares more than a bottle with that girl, but his lawyer would have points to offer in his defense -- more, perhaps, than Mr. Pig-o-the-Schoolyard, who seems to be contemplating his evil deed in the modern world!

I'd say they've both won themselves a reserved seat in that bucket, though ...



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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 11, 2012 8:01am
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Did you ask me, somewhere, if my son liked Furthur? I swear I saw this, but it's gone. Anyway, the answer is, he doesn't, and he didn't go. Lost cause. He has in the past year become totally obsessed with the guitar himself ... just bought an electric one ... "twangy" stuff like the GD is not for him.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Jul 11, 2012 8:26am
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I thought I did, but I think I must have hit "delete" thinking I was hitting "revise" for a typo, cuz it's not there. I wondered if he went along with you to Furthur -- you'd talked about seeing families there.

The funny thing is that as I read this post just now, my son is thunk-thunk-twanging away on his initial efforts to learn guitar. He just started lessons. He's in the House of the Rising Sun stage.

So the GD qualifies as "twangy"? Interesting. I guess I could see that. What kind of stuff does your son (inexplicably) prefer? I'm actually really clueless about what "teenagers these days" listen to, cuz we're waaaaay out of the loop!

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Jul 11, 2012 8:57am
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Will return later, but just quickly, that's very funny about the "House of the Rising Sun" stage - is it written somewhere that that must be your first guitar song? That was J's first song also, we nearly went out of our minds this time last year, listening to House of the Rising Sun arrrrgh. I just reminded him a couple of days ago how much he played that at first, since we haven't heard it recently. It gets better ... though watch out, Stairway to Heaven is coming ...

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 10, 2012 5:48am
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If the whole race is evil then your question was pointless.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 10, 2012 6:03am
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The duality of humans? Quick, comparative religions are on the way! Hear them bickering?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Jul 10, 2012 6:09am
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I wasn't really thinking that deeply about it. You asked who was the most evil character and that seems to presume that some are more evil or possibly some of us are not evil at all. So the only way the whole race could be the correct answer is if that was the answer by a non-human. So unless Chiklod is actually one of Dire's bovine gal pals or is Mitt Romney, then either the answer is wrong or the question was pointless.

On second thought i may have thought too deeply about this.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Jul 10, 2012 6:42am
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Let's go with the second thought. A summertime, easy on the mind question. Don't get all existential on me el. I haven't even had my coffee.

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